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Pro-Vaccine vs Anti-Vaccine: Should Your Kids Get Vaccinated?

Pro-Vaccine vs Anti-Vaccine: Should Your Kids Get Vaccinated?

I wish there was just more compassion. No, we don’t want to make something difficult. We just want to be acknowledged My daughter was a victim and she’s being punished Hi, my name is Marissa Gold I am a parent I have two girls, ten and thirteen and I’m also a parenting expert with my own parenting company ‘Intuit Parenting’. My name is David Epstein and I’m a pediatric intensive care physician. I’m Gary Shlifer. I’m an internal medicine physician I’m Bob Sears. I’m a pediatrician. I guess my greatest passion is just to help encourage a full complete informed consent for vaccinations. I’m also Marissa. By trade am a designer. I am also an activist and a mother I’m Melissa Floyd and I would consider myself an informed consent advocate I just want to make sure this conversation can be open for people and continue to inform people and to listen to everyone to understand Why we each come to our opinion on this The first statement is: I am vaccinated So I actually wasn’t fully vaccinated interestingly I grew up with two parents that were into alternative medicine So I was not vaccinated as a child, but as I got older I vaccinated myself. Marisa: Well, I was Vaccinated as a child But my last vaccine was about 15 years ago when I returned to college and I had a severe reaction and that I became arthritic in my hands. Went to many many doctors and Nobody knew what was going on and why it was happening and just shocked like it doesn’t make sense You’re too young to have arthritis and it wasn’t until having kids and sort of digging into my own research for them That a lot of answers started coming up and I think it’s unfortunate that a lot of it is overlooked For me and I’ll continue to get vaccinated regardless of The risks because I’ve seen too many things on the other side I’ve seen kids, you know come into the ICU and die from being, uh, getting the flu I’ve always felt like the the risks are far outweighed by the benefits of getting the protection Not getting vaccinated endangers other people I Will acknowledge, of course as a pediatrician I know vaccines work. I know they give you protection They vary greatly in what that protection is. It’s not like 100% magical shield over you completely but I do acknowledge there are some vaccines like the measles vaccine and the chickenpox vaccine, that honestly if you don’t get those vaccines Yeah, you do risk catching the disease and passing it to others. It’s such a complicated topic Vaccines and you’re starting to get micro with each individual vaccine and definitely the question was Talking about the big picture and I think yeah If you get micro, probably some of these vaccines I think when you’re giving kids medication you have to get micro about it I don’t think it’s doing your kids any service to just say X things are all made the same and they’re all safe and healthy good for you that everybody’s Benefiting from it because that’s false it’s not true Well, we study them before we release them to the public we study them so we do know they’re safe That’s the thing is we know. Safe-ish. You know being an intensive us I see the worst of the worst and so seeing The other side of kids who don’t get vaccinated. I saw a kid walking in with meningococcemia Which I haven’t seen in decades. He had all four limbs cut off They had to be amputated because it was all dead tissue. You forget how bad things were before we had vaccines I didn’t step forward for that because I don’t like the assumption that If a child is unvaccinated somehow they are of risk to everyone and also knowing that Vaccinated individuals can also be caring and spreading diseases I think it’s very polarizing to separate the two as if if you’re vaccinated. You’re totally fine. You’re not risking Anybody anything unvaccinated children don’t just have diseases hanging out in their bodies waiting to unload at any moment Anybody could be spreading diseases, especially things like polio and pertussis that are not completely covered by the vaccine. I’d do anything to keep my child safe I agree I don’t have kids but when I think about it, you know The idea with vaccines is you’re protecting all of us you’re protecting the group, you know There’s this idea of herd immunity. And so I think that’s why it’s really important to talk about because This is an issue. That doesn’t just affect you It affects everyone around you because there’s people that aren’t vaccinated that are sick or have immune issues Or they’re too young to get a vaccine and they count on her immunity I think most people too like I started out Vaccinating my daughter because I believed all the same things that you said it wasn’t until she had a reaction and several reactions that I actually had to look at it differently where I I realized by continuing vaccinating for her that actually would hurt her and yet everyone wants me to do it for the population As if I’m supposed to continue to sacrifice my child for everyone else well I mean there are medical exemptions for for vaccines and if your child has a reaction and then there’s some there’s concern I think that’s valid but I think a larger population is using other Justifications to not get the vaccines, you know a number of families who look into vaccines they will decide to opt out of vaccines because they feel they are just not willing to Risk the side effects, but the side effects are the side effects are like one in a million one in two million whereas the side effects from the diseases when I see all these outbreaks and things like I’m gonna choose vaccines every time and that’s I think right there is the disservice to this conversation because It is a risk benefit analysis. And what’s unfortunate is how downplayed those risks are I only started investigating vaccines because I ended up with a kid with an autoimmune disorder So, what does that mean and instead of finding answers? I found more questions. The one in a million is not a real number And so you’re more that that is put out Is it so people think that no, well not when you’re talking about the different kind of reactions I think the number you’re referring to is anaphylactic shock that anaphylactic shock is of course extremely rare Whereas you when you look at seizures from the MMR vaccine are one in 3,000 But again this creates fear in parents. Well we worry what we worry that you get those on your side kind of downplay those so my daughter had seizures. Seizures for most people are considered kind of a big deal, you know when it happens to you that that Downplayed element of well, that’s not anaphylactic shock. It’s just a seizure. It is just a seizure but seizures can be dangerous I don’t think it’s an idea of downplay I think it comes back to what we were saying with the risk benefit analysis and I think the data is very clear that the Benefits of giving vaccines by far outweigh the risks so I don’t think it’s a question of downplaying the risks. They’re there but we also know that children were dying and now they’re not and yes, there’s side effects, but they’re not as bad as what we had before vaccines I don’t always trust my doctor’s opinion Anytime anyone whether it’s a teacher a friend something I read online my mom, you know my doctor anytime anyone tells me Oh, you should do this especially if it has to do with their health I’m going to do research and it’s I would be Careful about saying it’s that I don’t trust my doctor, but that has that trust has been developed over time And so I would say in the early years when my children were very young when they would say this is what we recommend Yes, of course there were times where I got a second opinion or did the research on my own and asked the questions and I think that as parents We have to do that well, it’s hard to trust someone who sees your child for 10 minutes twice a year in the end parents know their children best and That little office visit where your pediatrician looks at your child He does not know your child the way you know your child, so it’s really hard for whatever recommendation He’s making to be really based and individualized for your kid So if you were to come to your doctor and say hey, my child’s acting differently after this this well visit appointment Something’s wrong You want them to trust that you have an established Relationship and listen to you and hear you and understand that as a mother Just because you don’t have the dr in front of your name. It doesn’t make your opinion somehow less valuable yeah, I mean I think like anyone doctors are fallible and they don’t know everything and I think it’s very important like you’re Mentioning to have a really strong Doctor-patient relationship. I think that’s really hard in today’s ten-minute appointment age, you know makes it really difficult but like as a young doctor I think there’s a lot of distrust when it comes to physician Recommendations it sucks because you know you spend decades training and learning and your heart is in this place where you want to like be of service to people and then You’re not trusted but you know to answer the question You shouldn’t just blindly trust anyone’s opinion your doctor or anyone. Ironically the doctors are the ones that- Well, I trust my physicians My daughter has epilepsy and in March she was also diagnosed with juvenile idiopathic arthritis I went to the rheumatologist and the rheumatologist said we’re gonna put her on methotrexate and I looked at her I’m like methotrexate That’s a chemotherapy Kimber therapeutic agent that you know kids with cancer again and she’s like, yes But we use it in a low dose and it doesn’t cause harmful side effects. You have to trust me. I said okay and I trusted her And I am so glad that I did before all this happened. She was a competitive gymnast and She used to walk up and down the stairs. Like she was 90 years old. She couldn’t hold a pencil in her hand now she’s back on the bars and back on the on the beam doing things which my wife and I Never thought that she would do again. So yes, do I trust my physicians? Yes. Do I question them? Yes, I will say look can we do this for her? Can we do this instead? And yes, you know I, I can appreciate what you guys have said as far as people hearing you and I think that’s the biggest problem in medicine is that Time is short clinicians aren’t listening and I think that as as a pediatrician You know one of the most important jobs That we have is to listen to parents and I think that if any pediatrician isn’t doing that, they’re not doing their job I don’t like it I don’t I want us to be able to talk I want us to be able to have Relevant and educated conversations and I think at the core of this conversation is What is at the core of humanity and being a parent? Which is that we all want to do right by our children and we want to lead happy healthy and productive lives Yeah, I have no doubts in my mind of how I’ve come to my decision making on the subject which has been Tedious and thorough to say the least I did not expect to go down this path in my life But I have people who won’t be friends with me who I’ve had death threats on social media I might not even be able to send my kids to school depending on how legislation changes because of the way I think it just it’s insane to me how hostile this has become and it’s not doing a service to Research and science moving forward and just the overall dialogues we have in our culture whatever the subject what I think is lacking in this debate or conversation is really Compassion from the pro vac side or pro mandate side. I’ll say the people who Refuse to acknowledge that vaccine reactions are happening or that the things that happened to my daughter were Connected because maybe it was just a coincidence and I just needed something to pin it on you are socially isolated You can be isolated by your family isolated by the medical community isolated by society as a whole because they assume you’re Unintelligent uneducated and irrational. I wish there was just more compassion that no We don’t want to make something difficult. We just want to be acknowledged My daughter was a victim and she’s being punished what I signed up for this it was a little bit of trepidation Coming into this because you do hear things in the media You know about the people who are anti vaccine and the way they respond to physicians and it is a little bit scary you know as Physicians we care about people there is compassion on on the medical community side We wouldn’t do this if we if we didn’t care but again, you know I do have compassion for the families that have gone through issues with you know, with vaccines and I have a great deal compassion for the families that had children die from preventable diseases There shouldn’t be any hostility. There should be discussion. I mean we can always question things That’s how we of all that’s how we get better. If we didn’t question anything we’d be still in the dark ages Hey guys, I’m Kendra I’m Erin and we’re from Jubilee media. Thank you so much for watching this episode of middle ground We try to encourage radical empathy in our work So we’re very appreciative that you took the time to watch one of our videos Make sure you let us know what you think in the comments below Also, make sure to subscribe follow us on Instagram and we’ll see you next time

100 thoughts on “Pro-Vaccine vs Anti-Vaccine: Should Your Kids Get Vaccinated?

  1. Melissa talking about how her kid can’t have vaccines because they have a reaction but she’s antivaxx… she should be the biggest supporter of vaccines because the fact that everyone else has vaccines creates herd immunity and is what keeps her kid from getting diseases smh

  2. my daughter got all vaccines. all fine until she got the mmr. she lost function of her right leg the very same day. last vaccine any of my children ever gets.

  3. the big issue with vaccines comes now from the frequency of vaccination. the immune system is put into overdrive by the stimulating agents such as aluminum salts or oxides and remains hyper active for a far longer period of time than it is deigned to. it is common for the body to remain alert for up to a year following a vaccine, this leads in many cases to the immune system making mistakes and attacking healthy cells leading to autoimmune diseases. an analogy is having someone who drinks caffe when he needs in order to solve stressful situations taking coke. he will be efficient but is prone to errors,

  4. One things of this that I find not baffling I’m just.. curious. The anti vaccine people they say I’m making my child’s choice which I get it their the parents but.. what happens when their older? Like when they make their own choices? Like say they’ve been taken biology and stuff in school (if they can even get into school) and some history classes and they learn about the history of vaccines and how they work. Based on this they decide I want to get vaccinated. Will it get to the point where the parents say of course you can’t do that when their like almost an adult? Idk I mean I think I’m just worried for some of the kids, especially the “I wanna speak to your manager” Marissa 😅

  5. I'd love the anti vaxers to take their kids on holiday to Cambodia. They've only got the luxury of being so ignorant because they're in a first world country.

  6. This shouldn't be pro vs anti, it should be pro-vaccine for everybody vs informed consent. It would be more balanced. The comments are all on one side. That tells you the concept wasn't well thought out.

  7. I want to make a note about something Marisa said- she said that due to vaccines she became arthritic on her hands. You can’t become arthritic from vaccines. Arthritis is an autoimmune disorder that is passed down genetically. She either already had it, and the it began developing, or she is not arthritic, and simply has a few symptoms that are comorbid with it. I also believe that no doctor would ever tell her that she is too young to have arthritis. Although it is true that it becomes more common with age, there is no age limit! Even kids not even a year old can have arthritis, just juvenile idiopathic arthritis. I am 17, and I have rheumatoid arthritis. It makes me highly doubt the sincerity of her statements.

  8. I just want to point out, not that I’m trying to sound rude, but all medications have side effects. There really isn’t any helpful thing that doesn’t have a side effect or a chance of a problem. The reason though why these risks are taken is because the risk is outweighed by the chance of success

  9. I love how these parents are gonna try and tell the DOCTOR that he’s wrong and that they know more than him, really shows the other side of this argument

  10. "in the end, parents knew their children best"
    Yeah I think you really get to see the dark side of your child when they are going through a midlife crisis at f*cking 1 year old

  11. The second question comes up, and while the pro vaccine people immediately had an answer, the anti vaccine sat there and had to think about it…😂😶 wtf

  12. I’m confused on the pro informed consent aspect of the argument. Are they saying they want a child to give consent because i don’t know about other kids, but when I was young I followed whatever my mom said was right. If a doctor asked me how am I, I’d look at my mom to tell the doctor. Also if they’re using needles OBVIOUSLY a kid is gonna say no. So literally we have to trust the parent that they don’t want their kid to die.

  13. 6:10 You might as well say no to any medication as well bc guess what, medication is also based on a risk benefit analysis

  14. I am having a cold, I can’t sleep because I cough so much (4am) and reading these comments about Marissa and Melissa is is the funniest thing ever

  15. “People rely on us to be vaccinated if they have compromised immune systems”

  16. The conclusion I have come to is the two anti vaxx moms have exceptions to the norm, and can't see past their own experience. While I can't discredit it myself, the anti vaxxers discredit the experiences of the pro vaxxers. They ask for more sympathy and less hostility, yet dish out hostility themselves.

  17. Bang girl: why is my opinion not on the same level as the doctors opinion

    Everyone: That’s because it’s not opinion ITS FACT!

  18. In South Africa no child is allowed in a public school if they have not been vaccinated.
    One thing our government is doing right I guess.

  19. I wonder how the anti vaxxers feel when they are sick or have the flu. I hope your kids that have the flu are not near kids or at school or at their friend's house.

  20. i’m just curious, don’t attack me. but if the vaccines work so well then why are people who have the vaccines so scared of those without them ?

  21. So sad for the children with anti-vaccine parents. They can't make their own choices like the pro-vaccine woman who chose to get vaccines later in life. She's so lucky she is still alive.

  22. Yeah, she’s right. The doctor only sees her kid for 10 minutes to twice a year. That’s why we want you to tell us everything that you can about your kid. Maybe if you were a bit more helpful and informative during the appointment you wouldn’t feel this way. Or you just don’t understand anything

  23. Just…vaccinate ya damn kids. Because I bet the only thing more annoying than an anti vax mom going on here spiel, is someone with dead kids. Don’t want dead kids? Vaccinate your children.

  24. the anti-vax people talk about the side affects but don’t flinch giving their kids ibuprofen which has harmful side effects. you can die from anything and practically everything.

  25. That one lady with the bangs made that comment about the doctor not knowing everything about the kid, well that's not as negative as she says
    There is a reason that doctors don't usually treat their own family- because they can't look at the situation objectively as a partial third party. They can usually better weigh the risk vs benefit in the situation.
    Obviously not all doctors are perfect. They can make mistakes and they are human except if they make mistakes they cause more harm. So it's understandable to want a second opinion or to research yourself about the risk. But that does not mean you should discounts the professional medical opinions because they don't know your kid.
    Yes there is probably always going to be a risk. There is a risk to get in your car and drive your kid somewhere. You can be a safe driver but that doesn't mean that you won't get hurt. Vaccines can be safe but there can still be bad things that happen, but what these young parents don't realize is that things were much worse for these kids before there were vaccines. They were dying from preventable causes and I'm not to say that doesn't still happen but it is reduced. And no not every vaccine is perfect but they do have benefits.

  26. would you rather get arthritis in your hand, or hav you and all of your friends and family die a s l o w painful death, your choice

  27. Wow. This video is incredible. I’m an RN who has anti vax friends up in my business over this subject.. I feel like the hostility comes from their side. My heart as a nurse is to care about people, never harm. When my education is questioned though, is where I get defensive. This video is incredibly well thought out and props to the panels on both sides. I wish this is how we could all talk about this issue as a country.

  28. To the guy Pediatrician who is against vaccination, i think your license should be revoke. Try other specialization. Clearly, if you dont support vaccination, then you have no right to become a pediatrician. Its a shame to call you my colleague.

  29. How in this day and age do regular people with regular jobs refute people in specialist jobs that have spent years in scientific study to attain those jobs?? I think people are bored in 2019…

  30. Just because u have the dr infront of u doesn’t mean you opinion is more valuable
    They go 8 years to med school? They may not be more valuable but they DO HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE

  31. David is a liar! Just like Paul Offit. ….. dying from the flu or from the drugs they give you to reduce the flu? Flu shot has 10% success rate and in the last few years they used the wrong strains ….. but you still got the toxins in it. My friend is a doctor, he gets the flu shot every year. 2 years ago he was sick for 2 days after the vaccine …… and he said: yeah I was sick for 2 days but that is how it kicks in. …… WHAT?????? …… so to prevent to be sick ….. you get vaccinated and get sick? ….. these people are nuts

  32. This one doesn't really make sense. There's one obvious right answer, and there shouldn't be any middle ground. Get your kids vaccinated.

    *Of course there are exceptions; children who can't get vaccines. But that's not what anyone is talking about when they say "anti-vax."

  33. Yes Melissa’s daughter was a victim and yes she is being punished
    She is the victim of anti-vaccine parents
    She’s being punished by being put in danger of getting the diseases

  34. I have never seen such an educated and informed discussion regarding vaccines. I'm personally pro vaccine and I'm happy to have found this video.

  35. These mothers are talking like they know every scientific facts, data, research analysis. How are you going to sit here and debate with doctors that went to school for 6 years and have 10+ years experience?

  36. Who will win???
    Divorced Feminist Karen with Facebook and 6 children and thinks shes smarter than a doctor


    A happily married doctor with 2 children and studied 7 years in medical school and has to work hard every single day helping out others
    (most medical schools have 7 year programs)

  37. The biggest problem herr i think is that people who had a bad reaction to vaccination think that happens frequently. They fall in this mental state of worst case scenario all the time. Esp. overly protective moms

  38. Im anti vaccinating, after seeing how many vaccines are not even tested on people! After seeing bad side effects that can happen why would I risk my child having that side effect at all even if its "rare" it happens and i DO NOT want my child to suffer.

  39. Herd Immunity had nothing to do with immunizations it was 2 doctors in Austria that founded the herd immunity which meant The more members of the herd (community) who were exposed to an infectious disease and developed natural immunity to it, the less of a threat that disease posed to the entire herd. That was the original text that was made 3 decades before vaccinations for polio and measles even came to life. How did those navy men WHO NEED TO be vaccinated get the mumps??

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