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Is the 4ocean bracelet a scam?

Is the 4ocean bracelet a scam?

A couple weeks ago, I did something very out of character. I saw this ad on YouTube for a company called 4ocean, which has taken on the mission of cleaning up plastic pollution in oceans around the world. “Now, we’ve become the world’s largest ocean clean-up company, employing captains and crews seven days a week to clean our oceans and coastlines.” Here’s how they fund that mission. “All of our clean-up efforts are funded entirely through the sale of our bracelet.” “The 4ocean bracelet is made from our ocean plastic and the recycled glass bottles that we collect.” Right after watching the video, I checked out their website and saw the bracelet costs $20 and the money will be used to clean one pound of trash from the oceans. I thought, “Hey, I’ve got $20 sitting around,” and I bought two of the bracelets right then and there—one for me and one for my wife. Very unlike me to decide on a purchase that quickly, but I guess I felt inspired. It was only a few minutes after clicking “Complete Order,” though, that I started to have buyer’s remorse. As I checked out the company a bit further, I discovered (and this is no secret) that 4ocean is a for-profit company, not a non-profit. So, for-profit company? That means they’re only in it for the money, right? Well, not necessarily. There could actually be a legitimate reason for 4ocean to not be a non-profit. In this article, Alex Schulze, one of the founders, says: Now, he’s slightly mischaracterizing how non-profits operate. It is actually possible for a non-profit to have a business model and sell a product, but he’s right in the sense that a non-profit could not operate in the way 4ocean does, because the law typically requires that anything a non-profit sells must be directly mission-related. It can’t just be some trinket. So, for example, if 4ocean wanted to be a non-profit, they could probably sell a book about the ocean plastic crisis and then use revenue from sales of that book to fund actual cleanups. However, if 4ocean were trying to fund its cleanups through sales of a t-shirt, candy, or . . . a bracelet, they would not be allowed to operate as a tax-exempt non-profit. So, in a way, the path 4ocean has chose, being a for-profit company, could actually be really smart for achieving their mission of cleaning the ocean. If they went the non-profit route and tried to sell a book or a documentary film, and supplement that with grants and donations, revenue might not be very high. With the bracelet, however, they appear to have achieved phenomenal sales, which means they have way more revenue to invest back in their mission. But here’s where things get a bit shady. In a non-profit, there is a high degree of accountability. The organization must prove to the government every year that they are indeed using their money to invest in their mission, and not just to line their own pockets. In a for-profit company like 4ocean, the accountability is much, much less. There’s really nothing stopping these two guys from taking millions of dollars in profit and using it for whatever they please. It seems the only organization holding 4ocean accountable is the Better Business Bureau, which has given them an “A” rating, but that “A” rating only indicates that 4ocean isn’t deceiving its customers with false claims. In a comment here, 4ocean says: Okay, so that’s great. It means the answer to the question in the title of this video is “no.” The bracelet is not technically a scam. It is made from recycled materials, and they do indeed pull a pound of trash for each bracelet sold. But the remaining question is, “How much of the $20 that customers give 4ocean is actually necessary to clean up one pound of trash?” Well, first you’ve got the manufacturing costs of the bracelet itself, which I’m sure are negligible. Next, you’ve got to provide equipment, office space, and salaries to the people running the company. And I think they deserve decent salaries. They shouldn’t have to live in poverty to prove their devotion to the mission. Nevertheless, it’s hard to imagine that payroll for operations would have to be a huge expense. Finally, you’ve got the labor cost of actually collecting the trash, and there are some pretty serious questions to be asked here. Now, some people have pointed to 4ocean’s use of volunteers, and claimed that 4ocean is fulfilling its one-pound pledge with unpaid labor. 4ocean, however, asserts that the trash collected at those volunteer events is not counted toward the pledge. I believe them on that. However, it appears that 4ocean’s paid clean-up crews operate primarily in Haiti and Indonesia, developing countries where labor is quite inexpensive. So, I feel like it’s reasonable to conclude that most of 4ocean’s 4.7 million pounds of trash has been collected at a labor cost that most Americans would find shockingly low. And consider this, too: Each year, somewhere between 14 and 18 billion pounds of trash flow into the ocean, and that’s why many places are positively covered in it. With this much trash on the beach, how much time and energy do you think 4ocean has to expend to collect one pound? I mean, look at this right here. They must be getting a pound every 30 seconds. And remember, 4ocean is charging $20 for each of those pounds. They are literally raking it in. Bascially, it comes down to this: There are two possibilities of what 4ocean is at its heart. One is that 4ocean’s business is cleaning the ocean, and the bracelet sales are just a clever way to support that. The other possibility is that 4ocean’s business . . . is selling bracelets, and the ocean cleanup is just a clever way to support that. All they have to do is maintain a credible appearance of cleaning the ocean, fulfill their quite modest pledge of one pound of trash per 20-dollar bracelet, and in comes the money. At the moment, I can’t say for sure which possibility is the reality, but it sure seems like the second one is more likely. Now, I doubt the owners of 4ocean will ever see this video, but if they did, I would just want to say one thing: “Prove me wrong.” Prove that your primary mission really is cleaning the ocean, and not making a bunch of money for yourselves. I actually wouldn’t mind being proved wrong. I already bough the bracelets, so you’ve got my money, and I would like to hear that my $40 is really going to clean the ocean, and not, like, $4 to the ocean and $36 to you guys. And the way to prove me wrong, obviously, is to release financial records showing how much you personally have profited from 4ocean. I should emphasize to everyone, I don’t consider it shameful for them to be making anything above subsistence level. I think the owners and staff of 4ocean deserve to make a decent living. However, I think we would all agree there’s a certain level of income at which it becomes obscene. I mean, imagine if in their ads they said: “Hey, we each made a couple million dollars last year.” “Pleeeease give us 20 more so we can clean the ocean.” Would you be convinced of their “mission” and their “movement” and buy the bracelet? I know I wouldn’t. And so, the final point of this video is for other consumers, like me. If you’ve got $20 sitting around, and you care about plastic pollution in the oceans, you can probably find a more worthy cause to give your money to than 4ocean. Now, that’s the meat of what I wanted to say, but if you’re interested in sticking around, I’ve got a couple of pre-emptive rebuttals. Some apologists (or paid shills) for 4ocean, might try to show 4ocean’s devotion to their cause by pointing to the partnerships 4ocean has with non-profits. Look, they’ve got people at the Orca Conservancy, the Oceanic Preservation Society, the Save the Manatee Club, and Ocean Conservancy all talking about how great 4ocean is and how proud they are to be working with them. Yeah, sure, but you should probably take a look at the fine print at the ends of those videos. So, that appears to be the extent of the “partnership”: a one-time donation. And a donation is good, of course, but it’s important to keep it in perspective. For a non-profit like Ocean Conservancy, $25,000 could be a significant amount of money, while for 4ocean, it could be a mere drop in the ocean. And the fact that the directors of these non-profits are praising 4ocean is not convincing to me of 4ocean’s purity of purpose, because it’s easy to imagine that these non-profit folks are receiving a substantial donation and free publicity from a company which is indeed pulling some trash out of the oceans, and so they think: “Well, that’s great for our cause and our organization, so I’m not going to concern myself with whether these two guys are making great personal profit by selling overpriced bracelets.” I don’t think that’s a cynical thing to imagine. It’s just realistic. Some people also might point to 4ocean’s Ocean Plastic Recovery Vessel as evidence of the enormous, selfless investments they’ve made in their mission. Yeah, I’m not convinced there, either, for a few reasons. One, who knows how much the ship cost? It’s a repurposed oil barge. It might have been fairly cheap, particularly when compared to 4ocean’s revenue. If the ship cost two million dollars, but their revenue last year was 40 million, then it’s not really a huge investment. Nor can you call it a selfless one. Like all of 4ocean’s equipment, the ship is branded out the wazoo, so it’s clearly intended to create brand awareness and generate publicity for the company, which it has, like in this glowing news report. “Ocean Plastic Recovery Vessel 1 got christened last night, I was honored to be there in Fort Lauderdale, and it’s now ready to extricate millions of tons of plastic from the ocean worldwide.” And now, the biggest question of all about the ship: The news report says the ship is ready to collect “millions of TONS of plastic,” and here, 4ocean itself says this: “That’s why we’re launching the Ocean Plastic Recovery campaign. It will end 90% of the world’s ocean plastic pollution forever.” 90 percent?! So, yeah, we’re talking about millions, if not tens or even hundreds of millions of pounds of plastic. The ship was launched in November of 2018, and yet, at the moment, 4ocean’s pledge of one pound of trash per twenty-dollar bracelet hasn’t been updated. You would think by now they would have said something like: “Hey, guys! We’ve got this great new, super-efficient technique for collecting the plastic, so now, for each twenty-dollar bracelet, we’re going to collect 100 pounds of plastic!” I’m not expecting an announcement like that anytime soon. Also really suspicious is that the entire internet seems to have no photos or video of the Ocean Plastic Recovery Vessel in action. There’s some video of the ship out at sea, but no video of it actually collecting garbage. Even stranger, if you search for “4ocean ‘ocean plastic recovery'”— like, to see if their site has any updates on the project— you’ll find this result: “Anchored in high-impact river mouths, blah blah blah, the OPR vessel, blah blah blah . . .” And when you click on the link, you get a 404 error. Very odd. It seems like the project has been abandoned, and all that’s left online are a few promotional videos from its launch. Maybe they had to abandon it because of some technical problem. Or, maybeeeee . . . there’s a more cynical conclusion you could draw here, and I’ll let you do that for yourself. No matter what, the ship does not convince me that 4ocean is making enormous and revolutionary investments in the ocean cleanup effort. The only thing that’s going to convince me I’m not a sucker for buying these bracelets is if these two surfer dudes reveal how much they personally have profited from their business. Bye.

100 thoughts on “Is the 4ocean bracelet a scam?

  1. Hey All! This is Corey from the 4ocean team.

    We’ve been following the comments and in the spirit of transparency, we want to clear up some questions about our business and mission to help solve the ocean plastic crisis.

    The big question this video asks is whether our founders, Andrew and Alex, are pocketing most of the money generated from bracelet sales. The answer: no.

    To date, each founder has taken less than 0.7% of our revenue in total compensation since starting the company in 2017. Which means over 98.6% of our revenue is being invested in our clean ocean mission, including cleanups, staff (we have a team of over 300 around the world), marketing to raise awareness, donations to ocean charities, and new ocean cleanup technologies. You should also know our Trash Tracker represents pounds we’ve pulled, not bracelets sold, and our trash collection is far ahead of our bracelet sales count.

    Since we’re a private company we don’t publicly share financials, but Andrew and Alex have submitted their personal tax returns and 4ocean’s financials to the Better Business Bureau to verify that they each have received less than 0.7% of our total revenue in personal compensation.

    Another question raised was about the status of our OPR vessel. Here’s the straight answer: it’s not ready yet. We still have great hope for the vessel, but we’ve been tied up with modifications, testing, and certifications. We took down the OPR videos and the webpage because they were out of date. My fault, I’m the marketing guy. We have an update coming soon.

    We definitely understand why some could assume the worst in the absence of information. Our goal is to clean up the ocean and we promise to do a better job telling the complete story and shining light on everything we’re doing to help solve the ocean plastic crisis.
    We’ll soon be posting videos to be more transparent and address questions we’re often asked, so check back at 4ocean.com to learn more.

    There are a lot of great organizations working to rid our ocean of plastic. An estimated 16 billion pounds of plastic enter the ocean each year, so it’s going to take every idea, approach, and business model to reverse the damage to our ocean. We applaud all efforts and encourage everyone to take action, contribute, and volunteer wherever you can, be that with 4ocean or with any of the other companies trying to tackle this crisis.

  2. If you're interested in saving marina lives and plastic polution watch a documentary called a plastic ocean and visit this website to donate! https://plasticoceans.org/take-action/

  3. If they’re doing something good that’s working what’s wrong if they were taking some of that extra cash to do something nice for themselves? These people are heros for starting this company so I want them to take some left overs to do something for themselves as well. 💙

  4. So what if they keep some of the money for themselves? At least they do something hugely useful and it's still better to buy a bracelet and help cleaning the oceans than buying some stupid gadget or something we don't actually need. How many corporations could spend a couple million dollars for cleanups and still don't do it. Even tho that money would be almost a rounding error for them.

  5. You forgot to mention that they're also not very transparent in what happens with the trash they collected. They claim they sort it in recyclable and not-recyclable. The non-recyclable is apparently being "stored for future use". What does that mean? Does it just get dumped in another landfill from where it can get into the water systems again? And the recyclable plastic, do they bring it to a facility that directly recycles it or to just another one of these companies that ship trash to Asia, where it lands in landfills again due to market oversaturation?

  6. Looks alot like the plastic choking sea life from drink packs, but worse cause if it breaks apart, there's now beads they can also choke on. People forget this will get lost in the ocean yet again after it's "life cycle" ends. Dudes shoulda made a t-shirt made from the "inventory" "THEY" (they personally don't gotta lift a single finger) pull out because people would spend more money on their bullshit…. Rookies lol. Charities like this are full of it. Their profit margins for acting like they care are insane.

  7. I dont have a problem with this.
    If they are actually picking up the amount of plastic they say they are, providing jobs for people in a developing country and making a profit, i have no issues.

    I think people forget that humans have families and lives and bills and they shouldn't have to live in poverty to make people believe their intentions.

  8. There's a company called Idla Isa, they bracelets are a fraction of the price, and go to more charities than just ocean clean up, it goes to education, violence, mental health, there are 30+ charities, and all proceeds go to the charities, look it up

  9. It is always good to ask questions. Every movement has scammers and profiteers. Information is power, and thank you for digging in to the details! #Frugalfani

  10. I think that you are mistaken (and I could be basing this on the Canadian context, rather than whatever context you are (US I think)) is that they don't actually need to only be selling merchandise which itself directly supports it's cause, but rather that the income needs to be for supporting the cause of the non-profit.

    I am pretty sure that this also applies in the US as well, and pretty much anywhere in the world. There are a lot of information about a variety of forms of, "not for profit" including "registered non-profit" which actually looks a lot more commercial than this. For example, Goodwill? And similar? Your argument about why they can't be non-profit, would almost certainly apply to Goodwill and a lot of other well known non-profits.

  11. I always thought the bracelet was the one cleaning the ocean so when I saw the add I always think "how do the bracelet works to clean the plastic in the ocean" looks one I'm the stupid one here lol also I rather pick the trash myself rather than paying a plastic bracelet for 20$ (I'm broke lol)

  12. Hi… my opinion about this is that if you want to join to this mission you should think that it´s a action to help the environment, and clean the oceans from the enormous problem that plastic had become. As an renewable engineer I love the idea and I would like to help in this mission. It´s something that any government in the world had think about as a sustainable strategy. About the price of the bracelets, 20$ for me who lives in a foreign country is expensive but I am think about to buy one, and maybe two, to help them in their mission, because their are spending their time (and time is money) trying to clean the oceans and if doing that they are making money, good. you see in the videos that each person who is committed with the mission, what they want is to reach their goal, which is see all the plastic out of ocean. I believe that this is real, and it is not a scam or they are not paying their employees fair enough to match all the effort their are making.
    you by the bracelet if you want, and if you have the money for it!!

    Cleaning the world from all the dirt that humans had place in it will take time and money!
    i believe that 4ocean intention are real.

  13. The thing i'd consider buying from them is the clean up set, the bag and the gloves. That could and would actually help the ocean!
    Maybe the water bottle too, it's re-usable and that eliminates single use plastic bottles.

  14. Hmm. Thank you for your video. I saw their ads being prominently displayed on Youtube and I was also inspired although I did not impulse buy anything. Though I really wanted to. After watching your video I went on their site and looked around. I kinda of agree with what your concern is. There is a lot of really pretty promotional material, especially on their blog. Article about promotional events every few days. But I also noticed there's 0 transparency about operations and finances. These two facts combined together, to me is very concerning.

  15. They just wana clean the ocean and you try to ruin their image for your own profit.You are a disgusting moron.

  16. It would amazing if people on coasts every Sunday could go clean up for 30 minutes each week when they are free that would help a lot

  17. $20 for a small piece of recycled plastic bracelet is equivalent to 1,000 PHP. And it is only 1 lb pledge?? This is indeed a business. Their aim is not to educate people from environment pollution or clean up environment but rather get money from the collection of trash in the succeeding years. This is a temporary solution by "environmentalists". This is definitely a business.

  18. Bracelet sales reflect that people want to be RECOGNIZED for supporting earth smart technology. So blame the public for being so self motivated. As an employee of a 401 C3 nonprofit, the regulations and limitations given to tax exempt organizations is pretty comprehensive. Wouldn’t 4 Ocean , if interested in money, benefit from being tax exempt? Particularly since product delivery is primarily online/shipping?

  19. $20 dollars for a bracelet that was made out of trash
    Stupid cunts..they don’t care about the ocean they just do that to get money..what shitheads

  20. if the trash equals bracelets the fuck are we gonna do with such quantity of braceletes in the world. and if not then where the fuck are they putting the trash

  21. I do like the idea of "Underpromise , Overdeliver". $20 can easily be wasted on coffee, take out…so if it is having a marginal impact that might be worth it.

  22. So how does this work?
    -Yo Johnny, we sold 50 bracelets today, we gotta clean up 50 pounds of trash.
    -What do we do about the other million pounds floating all around us?
    -Leave it there untill they buy more bracelets from us.

  23. i bought a bunch of bracelets from a company called isla ida today and i think they deserve a lot more recognition. Isla ida bracelets are around 4/5 dollars, pounds or euros each but some of them are more expensive. most of their bracelets support a different charity for different causes e.g. saving turtles, dogs, dolphins, pandas or raising awareness for alzeimher's, autism, depression, anxiety etc etc
    i'm aware this sounded like i've been asked to do this but i generally just believe they are a great company.
    although, the bracelets haven't arrived yet so i'm not sure how great the quality of them are. 🙂

  24. I bought 4 bracelets, knowing that these guys are in business. After visiting Bali a number of times over the years, I can see the urgency of what they are trying to achieve. Having spent the money, my sincere hope is they are successfully doing what they are advertising, I expect that they will get reasonable remuneration for their efforts. I just hope that most of the donations are going legitimately towards cleaning the crap out of our oceans. Someone has to do it , and if 4 Ocean is doing it and the directors make a fair and reasonable salary, I’m ok with that.

  25. Have you ever heard the “crabs in a bucket theory?”
    When a crab tries to climb high, you’ll find that the others in the bucket pull it back down.
    You, Danye Har, are a bottom dwelling crab.

  26. These people are cleaning the ocean, but it is wrong because they are making a profit?
    Of course they are, if you listen carefully to their videos, it is very clear that the sale of the bracelet is their business model. They explicitly say that they have been able to employ a number of local people who had lost their source of income because the sea was too dirty. Those people are working and being paid, and that money comes from the sales of the bracelet. Obviously.

    According to you, cleaning the ocean of plastic is something that private companies should not do? Why? In my city, a private company paid by the town council with my taxes takes away the trash every night. Why can't a private company do the same in the ocean?

    Why are people so unrealistic and stupidly idealistic?

    It is very clear that enviromental cleaning must be done and will be done by capitalism, because it was capitalism which got everything dirty in the first place and capitalism is the only method that can realistically accomplish the task and not NGO's. Wake up from your world of perfect multicolor unicorns…LOL


  28. @2:00: NPOs can sell items such as the ones you listed to fund operations (though sometimes it's posed as a gift in exchange for a donation). It's done all the time. Where did you read otherwise?

  29. Are they scammers or morons? Their commercial says that they have "taken over 2 million pounds of plastic out of the ocean" well guess what, Walmart down the street has over 2 millions pounds of plastic on their shelves RIGHT NOW in just that one store. Now only 6% of plastic even get recycled, why are they now at Walmart, stopping the sale of plastic???? keep sending $20 a month for the false belief that you are doing good for the world.

  30. Hey Danye. This is a well produced video, but I'm confused as to why (other than raking up viewer numbers) you would want to create skepticism in 4ocean? For the record, I have zero connection to them and just discovered your video after going to their website thanks to a TV commercial…..But there are SO many corrupt companies out there WITHOUT a good mission that you could spend your energy exposing to your audience. There are companies knowingly poisoning us or raping/pillaging the environment or providing nothing of value to customers in exchange for taking their money. Why not inform your audience about them so they can be well informed and vote with their dollars? Even if 4ocean is making a killing financially, who cares if they're providing a cool looking casual bracelet and doing something good for the planet with some of their revenue? Most companies do NOTHING good with their revenue! If your audience was truly deciding between donating to a nonprofit in exchange for a thank you email as opposed to sending money to 4ocean in exchange for a cool bracelet, then I guess I get it…..but what you're most likely accomplishing here is REDUCING sales in 4ocean's bracelets and thereby reducing the money your audience is spending on HELPING to clean up the oceans! Meanwhile, your audience is likely spending money on things where learning the behind-the-scenes from you could get them to STOP spending money on those things and in turn benefit themselves and the world. All that being said, you ask legitimate and interesting questions in this video, and you did buy their product….but I still don't understand your mission here, since it seems to be creating skepticism in something that is doing good (on the consumer AND planet's side), when there are so many things doing bad that are more than deserving of your exposé-style video.

  31. Is making a profit really a bad thing? At least they are doing something positive for the money they make. I didn't realise you had to NOT make money while cleaning up pollution. Otherwise you are bad, and should just stop?

    Being that they are a for profit company cleaning the ocean just means that they can be way more efficient. We need more of this, not less. If people can see there is a profit in cleaning our environment then more companies will be out there helping the world. Unless of course your goal isn't too make the world cleaner, but to virtue signal that you're the best most honorable person in the world…

  32. In addition to labor cost to collect the trash, it also costs to sort through it, clean that stuff, and recycle or dispose the trash properly. You don’t have to pay the volunteers but event organization costs money nonetheless – venue set up, transportation, organizer labor, insurance etc. They are doing a job inspiring others (including yourself), which is also very important.

  33. This video got me to do a class topic on the ocean and now working out how to get all my students out there to collect their own 2 pounds. Thanks to 4ocean and the thoughtful analysis of them for motivating us to just get out and start cleaning.

  34. Reading the comments like either your going to buy or not. 🤷🏽‍♀️ never said their non-profit. How many of you will volunteer to someone how much your salary is 🤔. Its a business. Come one yall. We can be so negative.

  35. Environmental conscious people making money is a good think! Please make a profit so you can continue thinking outside the box! 4Ocean, Keep up the good work!

  36. This comes across as extremely pessimistic and very short sighted with respect to calculations. A LOT of assumptions are made, and the publisher appears as nothing more than a keyboard warrior. asking a private corporation to disclose its finances is absurd, Do you ask every business owner how they spend their money before you make a purchase? Did you care how much money Wayne Huizenga made being paid by local municipalities to collect garbage from your home? HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of dollars. I am sure you have heard of the green trucks with WASTE MANAGEMENT written on the side. He collected garbage for profit, just like 4Ocean, he bought 3 sports teams with those funds, and also funded dozens of charity events and projects.

    Do you know how many employees they have? How many are on boats in the united states cleaning the waterways 7 days a week? How expensive insurance is for a company that is in this dangerous of an occupation? This is extremely ignorant. You must be great at parties.

  37. Todo mundo falando em economizar 20$ e limpar por conta própria, mas ninguém tem tempo e disposição para isso. Duvido que esses reclamoes saiam todos os dias limpando Oceano por aí. Hipócritas.
    Se você tem 20$ e acredita na mudança, faça sua parte. Afinal o objetivo não é limpar ruas e sim Uma Vasta Extensão de Águas, tão grande que ninguém imagina. E

  38. As long as they providing the results, even if they are making money or lots of money, good for them…. and I'm glad someone is doing this.

  39. I would just like to say, even if they are making money off of "cleaning the Ocean" at least they are cleaning the ocean!!!
    And yes, I am sure they are making a great profit "dang too bad I didn't think of that!"

  40. So you concluded that the bracelet is not a scam early on and then continued to drag this company with a bunch of "what if" conspiracy theories. They have a mission and are pretty transparent on social media about it. There's far more sinister companies to pick on than this one.

  41. Could not disagree with you more about the accountability of a non-profit. Try to shut an illegitimate one down and you will find this out. Even with comprehensive evidence against them non-profits are not held responsible.

  42. Tbh I don't believe in buying more stuff to help the environment. Our consumerism is at the root of the problem. And will a bracelet actually make your life any better?

  43. Ya know that Indonesia is not giving out plastic bags anymore after a purchase from a convenient store and it is helping the Indonesian beaches, like a ton.

  44. Everyone out here talking BIG shit when they're just neck beard Liberal millenials who do nothing but whine and whine and whine some more without understanding anything and thinking they are so bad ass and smart because of something they saw on the Internet

  45. What a narccisist you are. Are u tracking apple ,walmart,cocacola , makers of straws, u don't have to buy a bracelet. Start your own you jealous piece of plastic. Now what are u doing with the money u are making off this page. Anything helps 1 bottle at a time. U are blocking their money regardless little
    B ottle on the Beach Lover

  46. Or you could, like, walk down to the seashore and pickup trash while breathing sea air. 2 pounds of trash will cost you $40. You can pick up 20 pounds of trash in an hour at any seashore in the world. It also feels great and it gets you out of the chair and away from a screen.

    All those bracelets will become trash anyway.

  47. 1. Making and mailing out that bracelet is in fact – producing more trash.
    2. 4oceans did something spectacular: raised awareness about the problem and show quality videos that inspire others.
    3. Do this:
    * locally : pick up trash after others in your own path
    * recycle everything that can be recycled
    * dont throw away stuff until you've used it up to its capacity
    *STOP BUYING SHIT!!! you don't need it. This is the key.
    * of course, bring your own reusable packaging everywhere, yadayadayada (plenty of videos on that out there)

    Goal: minimize own footprint on this planet
    Reason: or we are all fcuked

    Long live Gaia

  48. It would be nice if there was a company that's as good at marketing as 4ocean, but uses its profit intelligently for the cause.

  49. Last week I went to the beach and picked up 7 pounds of trash, I also bought 7 pounds worth’s of trash through 4 ocean. Whatever there primary mission they still got people to give who wouldn’t have done so otherwise. There are other companies doing similar things for less money going through rei.
    But I’m just a 14 year old kid.

  50. Dude — instead of all that griping & wondering what they’re doing about this just go out and volunteer yourself S a community-environmental cleanup crew (say, once monthly , or biweekly , or seasonally-

    Also, instead of worrying about their efforts & equipment — start making your own & be part of the solution, nor the problem.

    Here’s a DIY IDEA :
    attach a nail /spike into end of a sturdy pole/stick —-head to your nearest beach with your homemade device, bring along other useful pickup tools, along with a supply of sturdy trash collection bags & head off with your own personal mission (or with family-friends -professional colleagues) to clean up some beach at intervals most conducive to maintain.

    The other thing is to focus your energies in direct communication with your elected officials at evens of government (civic, Metro Region/county, state/provincial/territorial & Federal/national.

    Nag the shit out your elected officials— especially if they represent you in their riding but aren’t proactive in negotiating environmentally sustainable solutions.

    I guess you have your answer – but regardless how above board they seem — I think the whole premise of flogging more unnecessary trinkets is not a great solution.

    We need to stop the annual influx of 6billion tons of plastic trash which needlessly get dumped into our coastlines.

    Cheers & all the best ——

  51. I called them. They will not answer questions and refuse to show their books.
    I went to their address in Boca Raton, Fl. No signs of 4Ocean and no answer when I knocked on the doors.

  52. They pay for their surfing trips with 4Ocean funds.
    They use local waterway clean ups as a way to look like a big operation. Pass out t shirts

  53. Thank you, I really hoped that this company is more than just for the money… well, I hope there will be people doing from heart for nature- not just to get rich- I am still hoping to find those people and I will be happy to help and support them; but not a start up to make money with the hope of people like me

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